Prison should not be about punishment or rehabilitation. amirite?

That's a fantastic way to encourage crime.

by Internal-Mix-390 2 days ago

Hey now, that seems very doable if only the elites would start paying taxes....

by Jefferey03 2 days ago

I'm not saying you're wrong, but What you have described would be difficult, bordering on impossible. It's easy to make things worse, it's difficult to make things better. There's a reason communism is built on taking from the upper class and giving to the lower rather than building up the lower class. It's difficult to build people up, it's easy to drag others down.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

Communism doesn't have an upper class, that's the whole point.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

Communism is about the lower class being held down and exploited by the elites. So its not taking it away from someone. It is just a coincidende that we live in a system where communism means that we need to take something away. Thats why it is so easy to argue against it, because the "negative" effects are material but the positive effects are more ideational. The core essence is to protect society from concentration of capital through communalization of ressources.

by Extension-Jump 2 days ago

Except that's a lie. It's literally about tearing down those who have more than you because you're jealous they're more successful. It is a wholly evil notion and only the evil and the stupid follow it.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

What does that say about society that making life halfway decent for confined law breakers would encourage more people to break the law?

by Anonymous 2 days ago

Yeah :')

by Internal-Mix-390 2 days ago

That soceiety is lazy and if you give away free stuff they are gonna take it with the least required effort

by Anonymous 2 days ago

Yea keep dreaming that

by Anonymous 2 days ago

I don't think so, people generally enjoy being free to live their lives and see their friends and family.

by Commercial-Pool 2 days ago

Yeah. But there's millions of people all over the world who are homeless and have no friends or family. And it's already not uncommon to hear of people committing crimes to get a roof over their head because they're desperate. And now you tell them, if they get into prison, they will get good food, free entertainment, be comfortable, good healthcare etc? If you were given a choice between that, and probably dying on the street in the cold, what would you choose?

by Internal-Mix-390 2 days ago

That's already true. Prison is better than living under a tree already.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

You're making a solid argument for free housing my dude. Free housing will solve the problem of people committing crimes just to get three squares and a cot

by Anonymous 2 days ago

The fact that you said all that, but didn't ask yourself: "Is the system I live under, the one that allows these terrible decisions to be made, actually correct?" There are millions of homeless, sure. Most of them, however, are from the US, the UK or a third world country. Notice what I said there. US, UK, and third world countries. The problem is never the homeless. They are victims of a disgraceful government.

by Calm-Teaching 2 days ago

Oh no I agree with you. I'm just saying OPs system isn't one that would discourage crime. It would encourage crime specifically because we already, sadly, live in very harsh times

by Internal-Mix-390 2 days ago

They're already getting all of that in prison.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

Not how OP described it

by Internal-Mix-390 2 days ago

A few generations of this system should hopefully mean that most dysfunctional people didn't get the opportunity to reproduce so we shouldn't have as many homeless people etc.

by Commercial-Pool 2 days ago

Homelessness is not a genetic issue, it's a material and class issue.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

didn't say it's genetic, just that dysfunctional parents are more likely to raise someone who is homeless. less dysfunctional parents means less homeless

by Commercial-Pool 2 days ago

People think homelessness is a disease. It's disgusting. They are victims of Capitalism.

by Calm-Teaching 2 days ago

I think you have a very warped understanding of how a lot of people become homeless. It's also generally a very gross way to think about people in general

by Internal-Mix-390 2 days ago

That is a problem. What's the solution?

by Anonymous 2 days ago

Giving people atleast the same basic level of care that we give prisoners without forcing those people to commit crimes in order to get the bare minimum of 3 squares and a cot?

by Anonymous 2 days ago

That's fair. Just unpleasant enough for people to want to improve their situation to do so and supporting their basic needs while they do.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

yes! and for taxpayer's money

by Anonymous 2 days ago

Implying bad prison conditions discourage crime

by Anonymous 2 days ago

Prison is definitely partly about separating offenders from society, that has always been one of the purposes.

by Kuvalisbrandyn 2 days ago

Crikey mate! That's sound vaguely familiar.

by Michaela66 2 days ago

It's still a good idea to rehab a lot of criminals, a lot of them can come out and live a normal life. I would also say it depends on the offends they have, we can't keep everyone in, there just isn't enough space for them, and the cost too, so we need to release some.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

What if we just round them all up and put them on a large island to fend for themselves? Somewhere in the southern hemisphere, far from the Western world.

by Uriel16 2 days ago

Hmm, might be a mix of trespassing, human rights violation, and other laws, might just be faster and cheaper to use some of all those guns and bullets the US has.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

I think it's a joke about how Australia used to be pretty much a British prison

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Every time I hear anything vaguely historical Britain is almost always involved

by Anonymous 1 day ago

I dont see this helping lower crime in any way. Whats your argument against rehabilitation? You can still have what you say while trying to help a human being. Unless you dont consider criminals human beings which not only is factually incorrect but also lacks empathy.

by Flavieokeefe 1 day ago

Rehabilitation is too risky, we can't keep risking the lives and well being of good citizens.

by Commercial-Pool 1 day ago

Put we can put humans that regret their actions away indefinitely? Okay but thats just not humane of you to say.

by Flavieokeefe 1 day ago

Not rehabilitating is risky and keeps risking the lives and well being of good citizens. Lowering the number of criminals directly lowers the risk of good citizens being the victims of crime. This is simple enough for a child to understand.

by Intelligent-Group 1 day ago

I dont think you're really comprehending what youre saying. Id argue pretty much everyone has broken a law intentional or not and you're saying to jail everyone regardless of severity

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Not being able to hope for release will make prisoners MUCH more hard to contain. It will create an enormous pressure cooker of "repeat offenders and violent criminals" that can't be released because no one tries to rehabilitate them and because they now have good reason to hate a society that won't give them another chance in life regardless of what they do. Have fun with that.

by Expensive_Cap 1 day ago

that's why we give them the weed gummies (or valium??) to help keep em docile. As well as giving them access to some rudimentary entertainment.

by Commercial-Pool 1 day ago

Rehabilitation (where achievable i.e. for small-time offenders) is cheaper though.

by Due_Room 1 day ago

it's not containment because people with 14 priors are stabbing innocent women on trains. if it was containment these people would not be free to do things like this.

by Commercial-Pool 1 day ago

TV, PlayStation, steak and drugs? Sounds like a good time

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Also no work, no bills, no responsibilities. The only downside is no purpose.

by Minute-Sugar 1 day ago

No, it shoud be about rehavilitation because that's the thing that works

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Have you seen what prison is like in Madagascar? That's what prison should be like - you won't want to re-offend after spending 5 minutes in there.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

I think it would be about making the work for everything they have (food, laundry, etc) and generating income for the prison (maybe manufacturer products the prison can sell) that way when they left prison they have some generated income they could use to live like a normal person, instead being stuck in a situation where they just fall back into crime

by KeyBenefit 1 day ago

Could also just execute violent criminals and save money, time and resources.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Capital punishment takes more money than life sentence, check that out. Also slavery is wrong for many reasons, including economical : unmotivated labor has negative net effectiveness.

by Bogisichtheodor 1 day ago

I'm not condoning government issued murder but part of the reason for it being more expensive is how extensive the process is and how expensive the method is. You can definitely cheapen the execution method

by Anonymous 1 day ago

So slave labor. I guess if criminals can't be executed, might as well use them for free labor or as lab rats.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

I don't think it's the same as slavery, a slave did nothing wrong to end up in their position. Convict labour is the result of ones actions in life.

by Commercial-Pool 1 day ago

Oh boy you're going to have fun reading up on the origins of prisoner labor.

by Careless_Shop941 1 day ago

The USA is not the only country which has utilised prison labour.

by Commercial-Pool 1 day ago

I'm sure it has a non problematic history in other countries. Care to share?

by Careless_Shop941 1 day ago

"a slave did nothing wrong to end up in their position." actually no. doing something wrong or not have nothing to do with slavery, slavery is a system where one person is owned by another and forced to work without pay, lacking personal freedom and treated as property or chattel. it is forced labor, the person can be guilty or innocent, it doesn't really matter. btw, penal colonies existed, where inmates were often compelled to perform hard labor as a form of punishment and to contribute to the development or economy of the colony (though what could get you sent there could be simply just saying something the government didn't like, and not an actual violent crime, but those were also sent)

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Yeah OP is really reinventing the wheel here lol

by Gwendolynconnel 1 day ago

The only real answer

by thielmarilie 1 day ago

The avg murder in Chicago has 11 priors. That's not staying in prison.

by Commercial-Pool 1 day ago

Yes, let's give all the rapist, murderers, wife beaters, etc a free steak dinner once a week and access to video games 24/7 and other luxuries. I'm sure that will motivate people to stay out and be good citizens. Brilliant!!!

by Botsfordlucinda 1 day ago

I'm sure that will motivate people to stay out and be good citizens. Why would you so willingly tell on yourself?

by Anonymous 1 day ago

We'll have to find some work for them, I'm sure tech companies can have them label data or something so it's not a burden on the tax payer. This is what is known in common parlance as "slavery".

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Why single out Chicago when so many other U.S. cities have higher homicide rates?

by Anonymous 1 day ago

first one that came to mind.

by Commercial-Pool 1 day ago

Finally an actual unpopular opinion

by LandFederal6711 1 day ago

Taxes increases and so does the crime.

by Awilkinson 1 day ago

the convicts would work. and there would be less crime because someone with 2 priors would be in prison for the rest of their life.

by Commercial-Pool 1 day ago

You want to encourage crime ?

by Appropriate-Ride8085 1 day ago

Yeah what could go wrong if what stood between a hopeless, homeless person and what you described, is killing an innocent human being? i don't see any issue with this /s

by Anonymous 1 day ago

it would not be pleasant or fun. it would be restrictive and confining. and you would NEVER be able to leave. life would mean life. giving them some perks and some rudimentary entertainment as well a sedative would just shut the people up who say prison is too cruel.

by Commercial-Pool 1 day ago

Containment is punishment, no matter how you dress it up. The people who view these conditions as better than their own life would stab somebody for indefinite containment too.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

They do get out though. So you want to try to fix them.

by justinahaag 1 day ago

We'll have to find some work for them So rehabilitation?

by Severe_Advantage 1 day ago

That's the life. Why starve while homeless when you can just commit a crime and get daily meals, a steak dinner once a week and play playstation or watch tv all day? Heck people deadbeat NEETs should check out of society and go to prison too!

by Creepy_Arachnid63 1 day ago

this is for repeat offenders before they reach the stage of murder. and it would be life, no parole ever.

by Commercial-Pool 1 day ago

I mean this would work if society was otherwise perfect, like implement a ubi before even considering this

by Latter-Vegetable6541 1 day ago

Steak dinners might be going a little far but this makes a lot of sense

by jadyn84 1 day ago

I'd agree, but only for violent and sexual offences.

by corinedicki 1 day ago

The adepetus mechanicus should just make them into servitors at that point

by Anonymous 1 day ago

So.. encourage crime? Great job, OP

by Exact_Recipe3332 1 day ago

Wait. So i can have weed, meals, playstation, games, no bills or rent? Count me in

by Anonymous 1 day ago

The problem is we have so many repeat offenders because we do mostly punishment and very little rehabilitation. With that said, is it possible to have an opinion that is just about wrong?

by Friendly_Emotion8659 1 day ago

Places like Norway focus on rehabilitation and their system works way better than most. Their prisoners are treated white well compared to most countries. They're treated like humans, they're offered education and psychological help. Their prison guards need a 3 year university degree. Their release dates are extremely flexible, in that it's based mostly on your assessment how well you have been rehabilitated, i.e., if you're deemed extremely unlikely to reoffend you get released much earlier, but if you're deemed extremely likely to reoffend you can be detained indefinitely. Despite how "woke" this system would seem compared to most countries, especially the USA, they have the lowest rate of recidivism. I'd argue that their focus on rehabilitation keeps society safer.

by mertzedmond 1 day ago

I mean, if your aim is just to make sure they don't commit more crimes there's a much more cost effective way of doing that. Permanently.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Sure, party time! 🙄

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Imagine paying taxes and finding out they are used to provide a playstation and MJ for the guy who murdered your loved ones.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Let us know when you ACTUALLY make a good argument about it. Otherwisenit is just nonsene . 5 y old could have written that.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Odd how other countries don't have the repeat offender problems the capitalist US prison system generates.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

I dunno that giving a convicted murderer with a dozen previous arrests a nice dinner & a PlayStation is much of a deterrent. We probably need to go the other way & make prison even more unpleasant if we want to deter anyone.

by AccomplishedDrink 1 day ago

You sound so naive that you have no idea how bad people have to be that society and the judges decide to put them in prison. A lot of people who are sentenced for dozens of years are seriously bad for committing serious crimes such as murder, trafficking illegal drugs, abuse, violence and so on. In some countries, those crimes can get capital punishment and people who were the victims will happily call that justice. They have to pay the responsibility for the misdeeds they have done and society decides the way to pay for that is punishment and rehabilitation.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Right then half the country who are bleeding hearts cry about it and we end up with what we have today.

by Commercial-Pool 1 day ago

So what?... Those bleeding hearts can FO. Just because someone bitches doesn't mean you have to listen. Leadership is about doing the right thing when it's hard, not making every idiot under the sun feel validated. If society knows something is evil beyond any reasonable doubt, it has a duty to do something about it, no matter the naive misguided, or downright degenerate voices that might screech in opposition.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

It makes sense, society would be a lot safer if repeat offenders aren't coming in and out of prison.

by Anonymous 1 day ago