It's immoral to work more than the agreed-upon minimum amount if you work for someone, amirite?

It's immoral to work more than the agreed upon maximum, or more than what you are being compensated for. The minimum is your contractual obligation

by Willmsmargarett 2 days ago

I have been promoted several times due to out working my coworkers. I would consider this raises and bonuses compensation for that work even if deferred. It's not immoral to work for deferred compensation either, but it may not be smart if that compensation doesn't come or is too small.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

Promotions arent compensation. That's a different role with a different contract. You get paid more (presumably) because you have different responsibilities and expectations than when you worked extra

by Anonymous 2 days ago

So it's immoral to try to do the best job you can and to improve your work situation?

by grahameliezer 2 days ago

If no one goes rhe extra mile no one has to in order to improve the work situation. You are welcome

by schultzmarcella 2 days ago

The best job meets expectations. If you work 200 percent of expectation, you took a future hire's job.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

"Minimum" implies a range of Minimum and Maximum. The range definition is important. Not all projects can fit neatly into a number of hours. Which is why you bill for them and have some wiggle room either direction (sometimes it finishes faster and sometimes it takes a bit more time). [In example of a work-for-hire situation]. I think setting expectations is communicating is more important. Blanket slating is dangerous to all parties involved.

by Ok-Throat5606 2 days ago

I mean you can be like that but you cant then be surprised if someone else gets the promotion before you do

by Anonymous 2 days ago

I think it's a far better and satisfying life choice to give your 100 percent at work

by Ullrichguiseppe 2 days ago

Not always. Most jobs do not deserve it.

by schultzmarcella 2 days ago

The "100%" is already defined by your contract.

by Antique-Cry 2 days ago

Employment is a relationship, like all relationships there is give and take. If you are fine with, or perhaps more so think the only moral action is your employer also never exceeding the minimum standards by which they can treat you, then fine do this.

by Local_Guitar 2 days ago

Before i had my own company, i was willing to work harder and longer than others. But only if i was paid for it.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

I'm paid to do a job, not work a specified number of hours. Most of the time, I do what I need to well within that period. But sometimes it takes longer. Legalism is trumped by pride in my work.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

I agree. I have worked with folks who have done this and make others feel bad for not doing so, which further feeds the fire.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

Hey, so long as you get paid for your time.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

Yes and no. This one very much depends on your pay package, who your boss/coworkers are, the nature of the work and who the end customer is. I agree but not for all scenarios.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

Depends, if the overtime is accounted for in the contract and paid, I think it's not immoral, but in many other instances people overwork themselves and some boss and manager will feel entitled to that.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

I'm salaried and will work longer hours occasionally if something urgent comes up. I'm happy to do this because my employer is happy for me to take time for personal things (eg. medical appointments, looking after my elderly father) when I need them. Any decent relationship, whether with your employer, a friend or a spouse, is based on give and take and compromise.

by EntertainmentOne1370 2 days ago

This is the same person who feels like they're getting passed over for promotion

by Anonymous 2 days ago

TIL I shouldn't have picked up that shift for my coworker when his cousin died and that he shouldn't have picked up my shift when my aunt died. Maybe I should have gone to his cousin's funeral and he to my aunt's?

by Anonymous 2 days ago

I meant irresponsible for the working class, you not-very-smart person.

by Antique-Cry 2 days ago

I wouldn't say its immoral, but I do agree that it sets a precedent of being able to be taken advantage of by giving more time than what's agreed upon

by True-Barracuda493 2 days ago

Going above and beyond should be a choice, not a survival tactic. When it becomes the norm, it quietly raises the bar for everyone, without raising the pay.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

Does this mean imply it is immoral to give less than 100% during the agreed upon minimum?

by Agreeable_Soup 2 days ago

I agree. People think it's ok not to speak out if they're the only ones being victimised. But it's not, because it'll only embolden the perpetrator to do it to others too. And even if they don't, you're still allowing someone to be victimised: yourself. There's no objective reason why it's not ok for someone else to be victimised, but is ok for you to be.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

I don't mean overtime hours. That's agreed-upon. I mean going "above and beyond" and taking more responsibilites. Maybe I should have said "harder", not "more".

by Antique-Cry 2 days ago

This is just stupid. So I should just do the bare minimum and get no bonus. If I work harder and go "above and beyond" to help meet stretch targets to get a nice bonus I'm apparently being exploited using your logic...

by Anonymous 1 day ago

I think OP its clear. If they pay you for it then its alright. He means the workers that try to do more all the time to impress the boss without any payment, bonus or overtime.

by schultzmarcella 1 day ago

People rarely do extra work unless they get a benefit from it. Another aspect is people who do the bare minimum usually get stuck in their role on average pay. People who go above and beyond are the one's who can justify higher pay increases and promotions.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

You said "work more than the agreed upon minimum". The agreed upon MINIMUM won't usually trigger a bonus. You usually have to work more than the agreed upon minimum to get a bonus.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

This is stupid. I constantly go above and beyond at my job. Call me crazy but I actually want the establishment I work for to be successful and for our customers to have a positive experience.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

It is yours?

by schultzmarcella 1 day ago