NOT AGAIN PLEASE. Stop talking about abortion, everyone has different opinions about this very touchy subject and you shouldn't judge that easy.
if you don't want to talk about it then why did you comment?
So if you get raped you cant have an abortion?
If the baby is killing the mother you cant have an abortion?
If the baby is thought to be born with mental retardation you cant have an abortion?
People dont have just an abortion because they cant cope with the child.
Exactly. What if you are 12 years old, and you were raped on the street, you come from a poor family, and the baby is eternally killing you because you are not developed enough for your body to take care of it?
There are some times where getting an abortion is neccesary (im sure i spelled that wrong sorry). Although, I think it's wrong for a rich person with 1 kid to get an abortion 8 and a half months into the pregnancy. Because she "just doesn't feel like having a baby." The fetus has already developed and I believe that THAT is murder. Although, getting the abortion only a couple weeks after the conception isn't because the fetus isn't devolped enough. That is just my opinion. (:
I don't feel that a fetus should be aborted simply because it has a mental disorder. Take me, for example. I happen to have a form of autism, and my mother received the recommendation to abort me.
Unless, of course, the infant-to-be is guaranteed a lifespan shorter than 6 months or so as a result.
I agree with you on the rest of your comment, though.
I have mixed views on the situation. On one hand, I agree with abortion. People should be able to have sex without wanting a baby. On the other hand, I feel a little sad about abortion. What if my own mother decided "hey, let's get rid of this thing!" instead of having me? BAM, there goes my life, I would have never seen my first day. I guess, I don't have a strong opinion either way, and ultimately it's up to the mother of said child to abort or not. And to the people suggesting adoption--do you really think a mother wants to go through a 9-month pregnancy to, in the end, put it up for adoption? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd rather keep it if I were to go through 9-months of hell. That's why abortion seems to be a teeter-totter with me and my mind. One moment I agree, the next I think it's wrong.
I agree with you a lot. I'm pro choice but if I was actually in that situation I think I'd be kind of sad/guilty if I got an abortion, and I'd really struggle with the decision.
That's just for me personally though, if anyone else wants to get an abortion then by all means that's their choice.
Killing baby humans is sooo wrong, but constantly killing baby animals and then eating them is sooo okay? I'm not really getting the logic here.
People are such hypocrites :(
Exactly. The thing I find most hypocritical about a lot of pro-life people is that they'd save so many more people if they spent their time raising money to vaccinate children in Sub-Saharan Africa instead of waving around pictures of dead fetuses. If they really cared that much about saving people they'd realize that.
Abortion may be evil and wrong, but that does not make it any less necessary.
nuclear bombing may be evil and wrong, but that does not make it any less necessary.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you being sarcastic?
if you cant handle taking care of a kid, dont risk it
If you can't take care of a child why shouldn't you get an abortion? It's better for you and children you might have in the future.
@582052 (fEMMAnist): Not at all, I'm sure anyone would rather lead a poor life than not being able to live at all. And if you can't take care of the child that's what adoption is for, for those who want a child but aren't lucky enough to have there own.
(and like the comment said, they shouldn't be risking it if they're not mature enough to deal with the consequences)
"I'm sure anyone would rather lead a poor life than not live at all" tell that to people who have commuted suicide
Lots of people don't want kids. It is ridiculous to assume that people shouldn't have sex if they don't want to be pregnant. There are lots of forms of sex and not all of them can result in a pregnancy. There are so many forms of birth control these days that using two or more simultaneously can practically eliminate the chance of getting pregnant.
You shouldn't have been having sex in the first place. If you do get pregnant, tough.
Sex is actually very healthy for you. It releases stress, boosts immunity, burns calories, and helps you with your self-esteem issues. I don't think it's your job to tell people what to do and what not to do...
It's not a necessity.
No one said it was. That wasn't what I was implying.
well, neither is eating meat or watching tv.....
If you're dumb enough to have a baby you don't want, at least put it up for adoption. It's not the baby's fault.
I think it's great that people want to stop abortions. However, banning abortions will only strip women of their rights, increase the number of unsafe back alley abortions, and throw all the women who try to get abortions in jail.
However, there are things we can do to reduce abortions. For example we could increase sex education, make the adoption system more efficient, and make birth control more available. We should also try to reduce poverty because women are less likely to get an abortion when they have a home and a stable income they can use to care for a child.
Turning women into criminals, waving around pictures of dead fetuses and letting the government control women's bodies isn't going to save anybody. So let's try a different approach.
Just because you think it is wrong people should be robbed of having the CHOICE?
Yes, let's ALL give unwanted babies up for adoption because, you know, there aren't already thousands upon thousands of unwanted children in the world, and earth isn't already over-populated or anything...
I don't agree.It's a woman's body and she can do whatever she wants with it.And no,the baby isn't a developed human being it's just a bunch of cells.Also people should use protection and everything but just because there is a possibility of getting pregnant doesn't mean they should stop having sex.Making it illegal won't make it go away,quite contrary women will find dangerous and unsafe ways to abort which is far worse than actually having it done by a doctor in a safe way.
You're just a bunch of cells too.
Wow really? I had no idea. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. That's a really good counter argument.
There has to be better ways then an abortion. Why doesn't the girl have the baby, and give it up for adoption?
Prenatal care is expensive, so is having the baby delivered. Not even mentioning giving up 9 months of your life carrying the baby...
Are you really saying money is more important than the life of that baby.. wow you are shallow..
I'm saying if the person didn't have the money...
Well then they should have thought before they acted.. not thinking about your decisions is not an excuse for practically murder someone..
What do you suggest? Force all poor people not to have sex?
Not every kid is adopted
A women should have the right to her own body. PLus for adoption there are already so many kids that need to be adopted, there is also a chance that the kid wouldnt be adopted. I wonder if any of the prolife poeple care about the kids after they are born.
I'm just gonna leave this here.
Adoption all the way :)
I didn't read everything...but what about when you can care for a kid, you'd just rather not have one? Why subject a baby to parents that never wanted a kid in the first place?
did you know there's a brand-new option out there? it's called "adoption". wow!
Abortion is murder, but some people see it as a necessity. If you can live without any guilt (and I'm not saying that any person should feel guilty, I'm just saying that some do) then maybe you should get an abortion because it is legal and reasonably safe.
Also, ever have eggs in the morning
We ARE a bunch of cells but with a stomach a heart a brain. We also have feelings we can love and show emotions. An undeveloped fetus doesnt have any of that.
they showed some pictures of dead fetuses in my religion class in it made me sick. i couldnt look at them at all :(
Go look at pictures of women who died trying to self abort with coat hangers because they couldn't get an abortion in a doctors office. Maybe then you will understand why we need to keep abortion legal.
Just to be clear I'm pro choice, but no one is forcing women to kill themselves with coat hangers. I get that had abortion been available they wouldn't have tried to self abort and would have lived but they're not a victim, they did it to themself.
That doesn't mean it's okay to let women do it.
Again they're grown women, not 2 year olds. No one is "letting" them do it, it's a choice that they're making.
70,000 women die every single solitary year from unsafe abortions. Your "it's their own fault/they got what they deserved" attitude just doesn't justify deaths of 70,00 people each year. You can't call yourself pro-life and then not be horrified and appalled by the brutal slaughter of thousands of women. Getting to chose between abortion and a life of starvation, poverty, and misery isn't that much of a choice. Stop blaming women for the oppressive and unfair laws society forces on them.
if people are already having back ally abortions when it is legal how is keeping it legal gonna help./
For one thing, there are far less back alley abortions when abortion is legal.
how would you know if you dont have anything to compare it to? and how do you know how amny they are when they are back ally and unknown?
Do you know? I know I read it somewhere but I can't find the statistic. But think about it, why would more people get illegal abortions when abortion was legal?
i dont care about the statistic, im saying there is no way the statistic could possibly be accurate. and idk why do they get back ally abortions like the statistic youre talking about if abortion is legal?
Well, if you think about it logically you'd realize that there would be far less back-alley abortions if abortion were legal. I know you don't agree with abortion but you really have to agree with logic.
abortion is legal.
Yes, in some countries it is legal.
It's their fault for getting pregnant in the first place.
So people who get raped ask to become pregnant?
That's the stupidest argument... that's probably 1% of abortion cases. That's like saying criminals shouldn't be punished because there's a 1% chance the jury is wrong...
I'm sorry, but that is bullshit, statistics involving abortion don't include self-abortions or illegal abortions, so i think you should keep those statisitcs to yourself.
actually there is no way of birth control, like condoms or pills that are 100% effective.
Which is why you shouldn't be having sex if you can't handle pregnancy.
so everyone should have sex only when they want a baby?
Well if you can't deal with the consequences then your obviously not old enough or mature enough be having sex..
read my comments, I never said that I was pro-choice and I never say that I was pro-life. I say that you should not judge unless you've been through that experience.
Actually you never said anything along those lines.. you asked if people should only have sex if they want a baby and I answered your question..
but you can deal with the consequencd by aborting it.....
No that's not appropriate way to deal with the consequences, that would be like saying "Oh, i don't want to deal with what's his/her face anymore so I think I'll kill them"..
If you think of killing a few cells, the every time you injure yourself, its bloody murder.
Its not a person until sustainable outside the womb.
I don't agree with you on that, but if you want to look at it that way it's still wrong. You're still killing something that has the potential to be a living person, which is nothing like when you hurt yourself.
potential to live? That is something every egg that goes in a cake and every seed on a strawberry also possess.
But when somebody uses an egg it's going to good use to feed them, same with strawberry's. The majority of time when people get an abortion it's because they don't want to deal with the consequences of their choices..
Only when you CAN have a baby. If you can't care for a baby, then you shouldn't be having sex.
Someones a virgin.
There should be nothing wrong with being a virgin.
And yes, if you can't handle the consequences of sex, be it pregnancy, or STDs then don't have it.
It doesn't matter whose "fault" it is. Nobody should have to die in a back alley abortion.
Well they too, should deal with the consequences of the previous choices they made and not try and kill their baby. Why don't they go through with the pregnancy and give the baby up for adoption to a family that would gladly take care of it?
Getting an abortion is not a way of avoiding the consequences of your actions, it's a method of dealing with them. Killing a walnut sized clump of cells and a full grown baby is not the same thing. Nine months of pregnancy and childbirth can be damaging and dangerous to women especially when they aren't to go through something like that. Adoption is a great thing and I commend women who go through with it. However, it can't work for everyone. The more options women have, the better off they will be.
Abortion is NOT an option, it's murder. I don't care how small or barely developed they are, they're still a living thing that deserves to have it's chance at the world.
And if pregnancy is going to be damaging to that person's body because they're body isn't ready for that, they obviously weren't ready to be having sex.
So you've never used hand sanitizer, have you? You're killing goddamn germs then, too. So it's okay to kill one type of cell, but not another?
First off, watch your language, I haven't been cussing at anyone and would appreciate it if you guys return the favor.
Second, I see you can't find a good argument so are now just pulling things from the top of your head (which doesn't seem to work to well). We both know that those are two totally different things.
Abortion is not akin to murder because a embryo is not akin to a baby. Even if it were, the government would have no right to control it because it is in the woman's body and no society can be free when the flesh and blood of it's women are controlled like tax dollars. Neither you nor the government have a right to tell women (minors are different) when they can or cannot have sex. You can't judge when a woman is ready for sex, just because a woman is no condition to have a child doesn't mean she can't have sex.
Outlawing abortion wouldn't solve anything. Women would continue to get abortions, only the abortions they'd be getting would be less far less safe. Additionally, if abortion is considered murder hundreds of thousands of women would be thrown in jail for the rest of their life or maybe even executed depending on their state's laws. I can't understand why anybody would want to kill women and their children and throw tons of people in jail for the sake of
a few embryos.
It is murder, because that embryo is still a living thing.
I never trying to control who couldn't have sex, they way you worded your argument made it sound like you were talking about minors, which what I was talking about.
If abortion was considered murder by the government (like it should be), a lot of people would stop doing it which would eliminate a lot of your "thousands of women". (they obviously wouldn't punish the people who had had an abortion before it was considered illegal).
And don't even get started on execution because I have a whole other argument for why that shouldn't be allowed.
Making abortion illegal wouldn't stop all that many people from getting them. It would however cause tons of problems like illegal abortions, suicides, and infanticide (which is very very different from abortion). An embryo is a living thing I'll give you that but that does not mean that it's existence is more important than a woman's freedom. Liberty is one of the most precious things a person can have and when we take away a woman's liberty, our society is no longer just.
Making it illegal really would stop more people than you think. And it wouldn't be taking away a woman's freedom, she made her decision when she decided to have sex (even if she did use protection, she should know it's not 100% effective).
Forcing a woman to give birth to a child against her will is a complete violation of her freedom and her right to control her life, body, and future. Outlawing abortion would cause tons and tons of problems. Sex, pregnancies, childbirth, and families are personal matters and the government ought to stay out of them.
The government wouldn't be forcing her to give birth, she was the one who risked that when she had sex. The government would still be staying out of the matters of sex, but staying out of the matters of pregnancies/childbirth is practically allowing murder.
If you don't want to give birth and the government denies you access to a medical procedure that would prevent you from giving birth, the government is forcing you to give birth. An abortion is not at all the same as a murder. When a woman can't decide what happens to her uterus, that woman is not free.
It's not like the government forced her to get pregnant though, so they're not forcing her to have the baby. That was her choice and she has to deal with the consequences properly (which does not include an abortion, because that practically is murder. How could you justify as anything else?)
An embryo isn't at all the same thing as a fully developed human being. I still can't understand how the government would not be forcing women to give birth if the government banned abortion. Getting an abortion is not a way of avoiding the consequences; it's a method of dealing with them. Sometimes, it is the best method of dealing with them.
Since you obviously don't want to listen to reason I'll ask you this, "Do you think it would've been fair if your mom would've decided she didn't want you and would have gotten an abortion?" If she would've you never would've seen this world, the good and bad, and would've missed out on so much. And the only time an abortion would be the best method of dealing with the consequences (or even an appropriate way to deal with the consequences in my opinion) would be if that baby was endangering your own life, or another medical reason.
Yes it would have been totally fair. If my mother had waited a month, been in a slightly different position, married someone else, or gone on birth control I also wouldn't be here. You could use that same logic to argue that people shouldn't use birth control. Having a baby can be extremely detrimental to your career, education, lifestyle, family and the lives of your current children. Just because a woman can medically deliver a baby does not mean she can handle it mentally or financially.
Well I'm glad that you can stand up for your own argument, but I still don't agree with you. And again if you aren't in the appropriate situation to take care of a baby that's when you could give it up for adoption..
Then that's kind of brainwash. No-one in whatever grade should see dead fetuses. I don't believe that people should do abortions unless they're under the age of 18, or would die when giving birth to the child, because they would rather have their babies smiling down on them in heaven than live a shitty enviorment that they probly grew up in.
Those pictures are disgusting. But I saw live open heart surgery once on a school trip and that was also disgusting. They cut a guys chest open with a saw and took his heart out. There was blood everywhere. Even though it was disgusting, it saved the guy's life. It taught be that not every thing that is bloody and gross is bad. I think that's also true with abortion.
A question (I will continue my argument once I get an answer): Do humans have tails?
No, not to my knowledge.
Fetuses have tails for much of pregnancy. Therefore, fetuses are not human.
Note: Don't bother arguing with this. It isn't worth it.
I don't understand why we don't have tails when we are born. Stupid evolution.
I didn't read the whole thing but these abortion posts always lead to a bunch of debates.. I think that they should keep abortion legal for those who need/want it, but gosh people if you don't want one, then stop making a big deal about it, just don't get one.
Looking at it from the perspective of wanting to preserve human life, I see the issue like this:
Killing a fetus is killing /possible/ life. Regardless of when it is truly living, there won't be a living, breathing baby in nine months if you kill the fetus. Thus, killing human life. Using hand-sanitizer? Are you saying those cells on your hands would develop into a full-grown baby in nine months?
The only exception is if having the baby will severly wound the mother. I'm not going to say that the baby's life is more important than its parent.
Rape victims and young girls? I have the utmost sympathy for them. But I still don't see abortion as an option. Going through the emotional trauma of giving unwanted birth is harsh, I can understand that. But I believe killing possible life is even more inhumane.
I can't say I want abortion to be illegal, because that put the lives of women who attempt unsanitary abortions in danger. But I will almost always see abortion as wrong.
Abortion definitely shouldn't be taken lightly, and I agree with a lot of things you said. I wouldn't get an abortion myself, but I think in some cases abortion is necessary. I don't know when the ball of cells begins to live. One way of aborting is to take pills, and then it's kind of like a period. If the fetus can be aborted in that way, I don't think it's wrong.
you never know. if an expecting mother decided to have an abortion, it's possible that child could have developed had a cure for AIDS or cancer, or could have changed the world in some way. and think, sitting in a dumpster behind an abortion center could have been a NASA developer.
That's no logical argument. It's just as likely that the baby could have grown up to be a mass murderer. And think, sitting in a dumpster behind an abortion center could have been a serial killer.
just put them up for adoption! what's so hard about that?
Do you know how difficult pregnancy is?
Why don't they just give birth and put the baby up for adoption? Seriously, what's so hard about shoving nine pounds of baby through a one inch hole in your body?
fEMMAnist isn't a "pro-abortionist" she is pro-choice. There is a huge difference.
Aw. Thank you so much!!
If it were that simple, nobody would debate about it.
Wow, there is seriously something wrong with our society seeing as this post has a negative score... I hope the next generation can be a little more caring than ours..
THANK YOU so much ! Ppl dont realize whats wrong wth Abortion. Do you know how they DO IT first of all??? They use a vaccuum type thing and suck it out. JUst like that. It's inhumane. If you get a ababy and you dont want it, then you should have been watching it in the first place.
condoms work around 97% of the time... same with the Pill.. doesn't allways work, somebody could be really careful yet still get pregnant...
If you're having sex at all, you know the possible consequences. Don't have sex if you're not ready for pregnancy.
theres allways a posibilty for about everything, if you lived your life safe like that well then you wouldnt have lived your life
That's not all they do. They take the vacuum and tear off the legs first and slowly tear off the rest until all that's left is the head. Then, they go in with forceps and crush it and take out all the pieces.
Having a baby is even more disgusting, gross, and ugly when you watch it but that doesn't make it bad or inhumane.
Wait, everyone just hold on a second. Let me go get popcorn
GOOD. I know its bad but it shows them teens that less and less of abortion should be happening.
But it doesn't show pictures of women who have been slaughtered to death in illegal back alley abortions. I don't think pictures of dead fetuses tell the whole story.