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Precisely! THIS is why body policing is stupid. Who does it hurt for someone to like their body and think it's attractive? Why do people feel the need to 'correct' when all that does it make one more person insecure? Why do they feel they should tell someone how to think about their body, what to like, what to change, which terms to use to describe it? It boggles the mind. This post is so well worded, I love it, OP. :D

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...necrophilia?

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I think the problem with things like necrophilia and grave robbing (basically any victimless crime concerning the dead) is that corpses are horrible, horrible magnets for disease. A lot of disease in middle ages was due to the dead just not being treated properly then - graves not dug deep enough so dogs would dig them up and bring them into the open, etc. One incident is harmless. Two or three or four probably is too. But wide-scale bad handling of the dead wreaks havoc on public health.

EDIT: This is probably a similar case for victimless ** acts such as public , nudity or **. A few incidents harms pretty much nobody. But if it was legal, it could risk becoming more widespread, which would be very poor for sanitation, public health and overall public welfare.

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When morbidly obese women say that they're not "fat" they just have "curves" you just want to tell them in the nicest way possible that there is a HUGE difference between "curves" and "rolls", <strong>amirite?</strong>

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Why do you care if someone feels good about themself?

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So other people only have a right to exist uninsulted if you enjoy looking at them? No. Other people don't exist for you to gawp at. You don't have to like them, but you do have to treat them with respect because that is a very basic right every human deserves.

Other people's health is not your business. It does not affect you. They do not owe you their health. Their medical history is not public domain, it is their business and that of whomever else they choose to concern. Being "unhealthy" does not mean you can just treat them like crap. Drinking alcohol is unhealthy, smoking is unhealthy, purging (and yes, one purging method is overexercising) is not healthy, oversleeping is not healthy. Do you deprive all these people of their basic right to exist without people hurling insults at them all the damn time too? Probably not.

Fat-shamers do not care about health. Being constantly victimised is TERRIBLE for psychological health, so if you care even a little for health, you'd stop that first. You only care because you're shallow, think fat people are unsightly, and it's deemed acceptable to hate on them.

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When morbidly obese women say that they're not "fat" they just have "curves" you just want to tell them in the nicest way possible that there is a HUGE difference between "curves" and "rolls", <strong>amirite?</strong>

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Or maybe you should just stop commenting on other people's bodies. They probably know they're fat, you know. They don't need some third party giving them unsolicited "advice".

Fat people are allowed to like their bodies. Fat people are allowed to talk about their own bodies using whichever terms they like (you know - like thin people do ALL the time without anyone 'correcting' them?), because feeling comfortable with your own body is important to most people. Why is it so important to you to insist on entirely subjective terminology, referring to someone else's body, despite that it makes them feel bad about it? Fat people already have enough problems with everywhere basically telling them they should be ashamed of their own bodies and do anything to change them. They don't need douchebaggy comments like this added to it.

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I'd just like to point at that most transgender and transsexual people are male or female. They usually do ID as a man or woman. I think the term you mean is "non-binary gender", who do not always ID as transgender or transsexual (since the "trans" part means to cross, implying you're going from one gender label to another). The idea that transsexuals are not the gender they ID as, but something else is... problematic for most binary trans people.

Err, it's complex. "Non-binary gender" is probably the best term to use, but it's awesome that you thought to include other genders anyway! :D

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Double standards, yay. Their ****, they can do whatever the hell they want with it.

I've said it before but I'll say it again. It's HAIR. The stuff that grows all over everyone's body because we're mammals? It's not some weird or gross, unnatural phenomenon. It's just normal. Shave if you like, don't if you like. But stop telling other people what they "should" do with their **** when it doesn't affect you.

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I've always thought that proposing whilst so much attention in placed on you is kind of a mean thing to do. There's so much pressure to say yes and if you don't, you get a whole crowd reacting with gasping and maybe booing. It must be kind of a stressful situation to be put in.

Also, what's wrong with her just not wanting to get married? She could not be ready, he could be moving too fast for her, she might never want to get married, she might want to be focusing on other things (such as a career), or feels she can't afford it, or... just doesn't like the guy enough to marry him? It doesn't have to be somebody's fault. :)

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I rationalise this in my head by saying time machines are like telephones - there has to be a recieving end. The day we invent a time machine will be the earliest possible date to which someone can return.

... it's a theory, right?

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Uhh, I'll bet a lot of people who say they hate school DIDN'T do those things, which is probably why they hate it. :P After 7 years at my previous school, I keep in touch (aka, e-mail like 3 times a year) with approximately one of them. I didn't even know the names to half my form group right up until the day I left. I know some people are sad to leave school, and that's totally cool and OK, but for a lot of people, they really are the worst years and personally I couldn't have been happier when it was over!
People who say this have likely never been heavily bullied, shunned, had serious difficult with material or other problems. That's fine, I'm not saying it as in "you lucky jerks have everything handed to you". It's just a little arrogant to assume it's "still one the best experiences for their lives" (when they just SAID it wasn't), because for some people, it's a horrible experience. I hated school and I'm sure loads of people had it worse than I did.
Edit: Just to clarify, I always said, even when I was there, "I don't hate school - just the people in it". I personally loved learning, discussing and education in general. :P

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Or you could quit the sexism and stop telling women how to dress, and then victimising them if they don't do it "right"?

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Okay, I think we're repeating ourselves now so this'll be my last comment unless you really want to make another point.

I'm not arguing that typically male and typically female bodies aren't different. But breasts are NOT ** organs. They're mammories. ** organs are genitalia, and breasts are not genitalia. They do function differently, yes, (when a woman is lactating at least) but as I said, there is a reason why one is considered acceptable and the other isn't. Also, it isn't a personal sexualisation matter. Women ARE sexualised more, as a culture we do this, yet simultaneously have their sexuality more tightly policed. What a woman does sexually is typically put under more scrutiny than what a man does sexually.

This post is not directed at children in general. It is directed exclusively at female children. The concept of "**" exists because it exclusively polices female sexuality (and don't tell me you call men "**" too; the word is directed at females. You can call men "women" for all I care, it's still gendered as a word). That makes this a gender issue.

Anyhow, thank you for the interesting discussion. :)

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Ugh, that video. I can't believe some people actually care so little about others - and I'm not exaggerating, it genuinely baffles me that there are people who could do that (for 10 flippin' minutes, no less, it's not even as if it was one careless comment) and really, truly believe that it's okay. What's wrong with them? D:

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Or you could quit the sexism and stop telling women how to dress, and then victimising them if they don't do it "right"?

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I don't think you understand what I am saying. I am not saying it's sexist because the parts are different. I'm saying it's sexist because the FEMALE parts are vulgar whereas the male equivalent (which is not ****, by the way, so stop comparing that. I'm talking about chests, not genitalia) is not. That IS to do with gender. There IS a reason that more of a woman is considered "vulgar" than is the case with a man. Female sexuality is put under more scrutiny than male sexuality in pretty much every scenario one could think of.

"Genders are different, yes. That's not discriminating them." Arbitrarily treating genders as different is the definition of discrimination. And yes, saying breasts are vulgar whereas male chests - even if they are EXACTLY THE SAME - are not is arbitrary. Even if you argue that the difference is the female part is "sexualized" and the male part is not... yes. And the fact that we sexualise more of a woman than a man is STILL to do with sexism.

EDIT: No, children are not women. But girls are female children, and boys are male children. So this is still a gender/sexism issue?

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Yes, thank you! I'm not going to get into a huge debate because, really, each to their own in how they want their relationship to go but... I really dislike the attitude that couples have to be joined at the hip and share everything and basically be the same person. What's wrong with having privacy, interests and likes and dislikes and friends and goals that AREN'T about the other half of the relationship? They're still both individual people.

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Didn't this whole "left brain right brain" thing get proven to be pretty much BS when studies on people with only one hemisphere concluded that, no, lacking an entire half of your brain does not cause you to be totally incapable of any emotion/creativity, or logical reasoning?

http://www.nobelprize.org/educa...ackground.html here's the study I was thinking of! You can kind of see how "emotional side" and "logical side" are extremities. It's basically more of "the right brain is better at analysing sensory input" and "the left brain is better at taking in and processing sensory input", but neither is totally incapable of either task. Bear in mind that Sperry was the guy who PROMPTED the "left brain right brain" fad; people basically took the "one part of your brain is slightly better at X than Y and people with split brain hemispheres may have trouble transitioning from one function to another" and ramped it Up To Eleven.

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Or you could quit the sexism and stop telling women how to dress, and then victimising them if they don't do it "right"?

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What gender you are has EVERYTHING to do with it. Don't compare genitalia to breasts; they are not the same. There's a reason female chests are seen as vulgar whereas male chests are not, even thouh they both have nipples, areola breast tissue. Even a larger man, or a man with gynecomastia, can walk around shirtless whilst a flat-chested woman cannot - it is not the shape or size that deems it vulgar. It's the sole fact that it is attached to a woman.

Besides, I thought you said we were talking about "girls" not "women" - before puberty girls' and boys' chests are exactly the same aesthetically.

Aside from being fitted for anatomy, having different clothes also has EVERYTHING to do with gender inequality.

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Or you could quit the sexism and stop telling women how to dress, and then victimising them if they don't do it "right"?

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When does anyone say the same about boys? Never. The concept of boys being "****" because of what they wear doesn't exist. Even not wearing a shirt is only seen as too "casual". It's not seen as vulgar the way female chests, even only partially exposed, are.

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A bigger double standard is when men have more social, political and financial power pretty much worldwide, but think sexism is when women complain about it.

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Sexism isn't trying to control what women/girls do, right down to what they wear, by shaming women/girls deemed "****"?

That about that ISN'T sexist?

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Girls, then. The point still stands.

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When you put it like this, it sounds ok, but to be honest, I think in practice people tend to assume it's ok either way. Groups of guys often stare at, holler at, approach or otherwise sexually intimidate women on the street, and barely anybody lifts a finger to stop it. They say "boys will be boys", "men can't help it" or "she was drawing attention to herself" and everybody just seems to nod their head and agree with that.

Men will even call women sexist for assuming the worst when they approach them, having absolutely no idea that women are basically told their whole lives that men "can't help themselves" and that factors like what they wear, what they say, what they do and how they carry themselves actually can be used against them if something DOES happen.

I'm going off-topic a little, but my point is, people don't think anything bad of a group of guys approaching a woman. Men are barely ever discouraged from doing this, despite the fact that pretty much no woman has ever enjoyed this. :S

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Maybe they get plastic surgery to feel better about themselves. Don't be so quick to judge by saying that they're doing it so their husbands will think they're pretty.
If you've been thinking about getting plastic surgery, the show is a good opportunity since they pay for it for you.

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Ah, I perhaps looked too much into the "let" thing then. I agree that they should definitely not pressure there wives to go through with plastic surgery. I've never seen this show (I'm guessing it's an American-only thing, because I've only heard snippets of it), so I didn't realise it was quite that bad.

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Okay, but if someone else is living with you - like a spouse or other family - shouldn't they have a say in what's goes on? You can't be refusing to make any compromise and then complain if they, say, divorce you (as you said above). It's kind of selfish to expect everyone to live in a house that is catered solely around YOUR needs.

I support that no one should be able to tell you how to furnish your house if they don't live there, but shouldn't another resident get some choice?

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Ah, no, I wasn't saying you wouldn't pool resources. :) Sorry, I worded that badly. I'm just saying it's comparable to not wanting a spouse to alter your home at all because you designed and paid for it - the attitude of "I got it, so I alone can do anything with it" is very similar. Which in a marraige, creates a big power disparity, which can be problematic for couples if either partner feels they're being treated unfairly.

Still, like I said before, it is ultimately down to the couple on how their want their relationship, home and care of any children to be handled. Thank for you the civil discussion, I can see what you mean better now.

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