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Ah, solipsism. I wish someone would man up and bring a convention of solpsists(?) together already.

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129. The pattern I'm seeing is simply a 1 followed by a sequence of prime numbers in ascending order. Could be wrong though.

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So a brain, heartbeat, and tiny body parts are not human and don't feel pain? Are you serious? How did we allow this kind of thinking to prevail? The only difference between you or me and the unborn is that we were allowed to come out or be birthed - they weren't. If a fetus is not human, a baby, or sentient (as you say), how does it respond to the mother's voice, music, loud noises, etc.? Why does the medical community treat the pregnant woman as the expectant mother carrying a baby? The whole splitting of hairs arguments about when life is life and when a fetus is a real person is arbitrary.
And ultimately, I would ask - would you have wanted your mother to abort yourself?

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See, the thing is, at the point of pregnancy in which the vast majority of abortions take place, these things simply do not occur. There is no nervous system, the 'brain', such that it is, is little more than a few hundred cells. Legs haven't formed, and often the vestigial tail is still present. Calling the amalgation of cells that constitute a fetus a baby just makes no sense, and the use of emotionally charged language anti-abortionists, like another pointed out, seriously undermines the credibility of the argument.



That is a picture of a blastocyst (I'm not sure if it appears correctly; I haven't been here in years), which forms around five days after conception. To call such a thing a baby, I feel, is not only factually incorrect but horribly insensitive. If you want to talk of splitting hairs, show this picture to any average joe and ask if they would consider it a real, living, human being.

I find that putting the rights of an unborn fetus above that of an expectant woman, with her social ties and obligations, hopes and aspirations, dreams, mistakes, regrets, failures and so on is degrading to the woman and reeks of an old-timey misogynism that really has no place in 21st century America, where we are supposedly all equal.

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Yes, because a 45 x 450 x 75 ft wooden boat supposedly housing two (or seven, depending on the verse) of every species on the planet, during a time of extreme flooding is going to be extraordinarily safe.

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It's very disconcerting seeing a place I used to love coming to for thought-provoking debates descend into the state it has.

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Here I am, after a (nominal) two year absence, and I must say that I have absolutely no clue what is going on here.

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"terrorism: the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."
That can still be a fight with a justified cause.

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Favvkes Favvkes

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It's far too vague a concept. To, say, the Iranians, to take a current example, the United States would be considered the terrorists because it's using intimidation and threats to achieve their goal of disabling the Iranian nuclear program. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter and such.

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They both try to explain the same things. Yes, it's possible to believe in both. But in the end only one will be left. With every advance in science, the plausibility of religion is decreased.

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AtheisticMystic AtheisticMystic

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Pretty much this. Religion only survives as long as there are gaps in our knowledge. Once we've made enough advances, humanity has no need of religion.

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i that information from a teacher

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And I had a teacher that told me blood was blue until it was oxidised. That hardly proves anything.

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I highly doubt there's any verifiable evidence indicating that this is even remotely true.

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Those who fight fire with fire usually end up with ashes.

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The current president doesn't try to only please his party... what are you talking about? All the changes he made to his bills are JUST to appease the republicans....

And it's not pointless it's called competition, because if the parties didn't compete, then it would pretty much be like a dictatorship or a monopoly. Although I wouldn't mind getting rid of the Republican party and Tea Party...

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KickAss KickAss

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You took the words right out of my mouth.

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you can keep disagreeing with me but i guess what im trying to say, is everything is subjective.

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glorybee91 glorybee91

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I'm sorry, but that is plainly false.

Subjective is defined as, 'existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought'., whereas its opposite, objective, is defined as, 'not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased'.

Like I've said before, a person can subjectively disagree with something as adamantly as they want for as long as they want, but that will not change the facts. I can adamantly declare gravity to be non-existent all I want, but my completely subjective view in no way changes the objective fact that gravity does indeed exist.

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I know what you are saying and i believe you. But what i am saying is that when people believe something, they believe that THEY know the truth. So As long as one person in the world disagrees with the "facts", to them, the truth is the truth. and to Einstein and his followers, their truth is different. get it ?

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glorybee91 glorybee91

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You're mistaking subjective beliefs with objective facts.

Sure, it's true that there will never, by definition, be one truth in subjective matters, and that's something on which we can all agree. But, in objective matters, the facts, things can either be proved or disproved, and only one explanation will be right. Like, light will always remain constant in a vacuum.

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