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Facebook Twitter Google+ Tumblr StumbleUpon LinkedIn RedditI copied and pasted your own words. There was no twisting required.
If I misunderstood what you said, then say so, say it again another way. Getting all pissed off accomplishes nothing.
OK, well, thanks for giving it a try. We just aren't meant to talk to one another I guess.
See ya.
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The point of the phrase "people hate people" was to show that hatred is not specific to one group. It's universal. In a discussion about religious groups and how they feel about each other talking about people who weren't even Muslim yet makes no sense. Yes, people hated people before Christianity and Islam existed- that should be common sense- but there's no reason to bring that up when we're talking about Christianity and Islam.
Your interpretation was not the point of what I said and I'm sure everyone can see that. If you can't understand the basic concept behind what I said I quit
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Facebook Twitter Google+ Tumblr StumbleUpon LinkedIn RedditI'm willing to give this a try if you are. Let's try to focus. Remember, I can only respond to what you write - make sure you mean what you say.
You wrote - "People hate people and then they use religion as a means to justify their hatred." In other word people hate first is my understanding. So I wrote to test my understanding - "So, Muslims hated Christians even before they were Muslim?"
Then, you found my response incredulous.
Is that more clear now?
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You're being obtuse. People hate people. Often people use religion to justify their bigotry (you know a thing or two about that). Framing it the way you did is purposeful misinterpretation of what I said to make Muslims look hateful. You know what I meant.
I'm not going to talk to you if you spend all your time twisting my words instead of replying to them
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Facebook Twitter Google+ Tumblr StumbleUpon LinkedIn RedditHere we go again....
Where am I getting what?
Why do Christians hate - who, what?
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"So, Muslims hated Christians even before they were Muslim?"
I can't decipher that. We should probably stop while we're ahead tbh
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Facebook Twitter Google+ Tumblr StumbleUpon LinkedIn RedditSo, Muslims hated Christians even before they were Muslim?
As for all that other crap you projected into the question - No.
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What? Honestly where are you even getting that.
Okay. Then you should also be asking the question of "Why do Christians hate ____"
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Facebook Twitter Google+ Tumblr StumbleUpon LinkedIn RedditAre you really trying to tell me that Christianity has no history of being violent and hateful towards other groups lmao.
I love how you present almost 2 billion people in the world as one monolithic force. I love how you ignore all the violence that Christians have committed and paint Christians as the poor, pure victims of history. I love how you simplify the long, complicated history of religion and how religious groups react to each other as 'Christians are good and right and Muslims are all evil and filthy.'
Not every Muslim hates every Christian and vice versa. People hate people and then they use religion as a means to justify their hatred.
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It's called an analogy. Purposeful over analysis will provide distorted results- which is precisely what you were looking for - congratulations.
I realize you've only recently butted into this conversation but when warning someone about defying the Word of God, the Bible is the perfect resource.
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The analogy in question paints being gay as running off the edge of a cliff. Which implies you're trying to tell me being gay is harmful and destructive. Please prove that. I understand it's an analogy but I think it's a ridiculous one to make.
Divorce and shellfish. Tell me about those. You can't just resort to the Bible without showing the real life, negative things that can happen (also you seem reluctant to acknowledge all parts of it, just the ones that reinforce your personal bigotry. Again, divorce and shellfish). I'd enjoy reading some things other than 'the Bible says so.' You're free to have your own religious beliefs but it is completely unfair to make other people live by beliefs that they don't share.
Do you know what actually affects real, breathing people in a tangible way? Homophobia does.
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Facebook Twitter Google+ Tumblr StumbleUpon LinkedIn RedditAnaon - Personally I value honesty and clarity over almost anything else. I'm afraid you haven't brought much of either to this conversation.
The very first sentence in your previous comment was - "Sure. I just think it's a generally pretty irrelevant issue." Now, you say with great frustration - "Oh Christ I never said it was irrelevant."
If you can't even be honest about what you've already written - I just don't see any reason to even try to have a conversation with you.
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You have zero reading comprehension. The "I think it's irrelevant generally" was specifically about the Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays thing. Which I clarified earlier. Do you enjoy misrepresenting my points? I scrolled back up and I literally explained that I was targeting that comment towards the MC/HH thing and not political correctness in general. Did you not read that? Did you ignore it because if you acknowledged it, you'd reason you're wrong?
You haven't brought any honestly either. You don't actually respond to anything I say, you waffle around about my stance- the stance that I've explained many, many times.
I don't see a reason to try and have a conversation with you if you don't read anything I say. Stop saying "you're inconsistent" then cherry-picking two quotes about two different things to try and prove that. It's hilarious that you think you can call my dishonest when you do something like that.
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I'm gone after 80 degrees honestly. I couldn't handle that.
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Agree. I should be able to shoot whoever i dam want
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Facebook Twitter Google+ Tumblr StumbleUpon LinkedIn RedditI accidentally stumbled into your conversation with Budwick when I innocently found this question on the Amirite website and answered it. I found your repartee quite entertaining.
I can see your point about the term PC as being somewhat meaningless. But I have observed that people who disagree with certain opinions have a tendency to advocate for the censorship of those opinions and lines of argument. And almost always, those censorship demands are made by the folks whose politics are what is usually identified as "liberal" (which in itself is a hoot because those folks have made a mockery of the original meaning of the term which was derived from the same root as "liberty" which should encourage free speech and less censorship). And that even applies to certain people objecting to being called "liberals" and want instead to be called "progressives".
So, even if you believe that PC no longer has meaning, I have observed that PC has tended to become more of a method of censorship by those who are more politically liberal.
I personally, as a scientist, prefer to state facts as they are actually observed and I resent being criticized for calling a spade a spade.
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Actual discussion! Glad you found us amusing.
The reason I'm a bit wary to take what you say at face value when you say that people advocate for censorship is that often I find people who are criticized automatically start claiming that they have free speech and cannot be censored. Which is completely true of course, but criticism =/= taking somebody's right to free speech away. A lot of people act as if free speech is freedom from consequence or freedom from people judging you on the content of your speech, which is why I'm hesitant to agree with your point about liberals. I'm more interested in seeing some examples of precisely what you're talking about so I can understand the exact point you're trying to make.
I dislike the fact that people hide behind the idea of censorship when something points out the flaws in their ideas.I keep bringing this up but in my experience, I've noticed a theme that people who are bigoted, when called out on their bigotry will tell you that you are being too PC or are trying to censor them. That is ridiculous. It's why I shy away from using political correctness as an insult. I feel like it's been severely misused.
I suppose it's possible both of our experiences are valid because like I said earlier, there is nuance to every situation.
I'm curious as to a what type of things you might be referring to when you say the 'calling a spade a spade.' I'm trying to make zero assumptions about what you mean with that and would rather let you talk first. Sorry for being a little all over the place.
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No, I compared someone running headlong toward a cliff they didn't know was there to a homosexual being warned by a Christian about the dangers of homosexuality.
I'm sorry that it was too complex for you, but I'm gald you asked for clarification!
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My point still stands. You're comparing being gay to running off of a cliff. Still absolutely ridiculous. There is no comparison.
Is the Bible the only thing you can cite? Nothing else? Also, no word on that shellfish or that divorce.
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Facebook Twitter Google+ Tumblr StumbleUpon LinkedIn RedditYou earlier wrote - "What I mean and what I've said countless times that has gone completely ignored isn't that I support 'political correctness.' "
Now you don't support it, so no your position was not clear.
But your position that PC is irrelevant continues.
Tell me what points you want to discuss - we'll do it.
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"What I mean and what I've said countless times that has gone completely ignored isn't that I support 'political correctness.' It's that I think it's a term that's thrown around so often it has absolutely zero meaning. I've been called too politically correct for using the right pronouns for someone, or for not saying a slur and choosing to use less **** language. I've seen such happen to others as well. It's to the point that I feel like I see it used far too often as a substitute for 'you tried to be respectful? PC scum' and that is what kills conversation more than anything."
Copy and pasted word for word from an earlier comment (I'm a bit lazy whoops). Also more proof that I haven't changed my stance at all. I'm sorry that I'm trying to provide more nuance than "PC is evil" or "PC is inherently good." Things are more complex than that and I wish you'd get that.
Oh Christ I never said it was irrelevant. I said the Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas thing is. Yelling that somebody is PC shuts down conversation instead of promoting it.
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I not only have a RIGHT to discuss my feelings regarding homosexuality, I have an obligation to do so.
If you saw someone running headlong toward a cliff that would hurt them if they went over - wouldn't you feel obliged to say something? Or, are you one of those that 'if it doesn't effect me directly, why should I care' people.
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Did you actually compare being gay to committing suicide? Did you really? You don't see the difference?
Are you equally obliged to talk about the evils of shellfish? Are you interested in banning divorce?
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Facebook Twitter Google+ Tumblr StumbleUpon LinkedIn RedditIt makes perfect sense Anon. You and PC dragged our conversation all over the place. It's no wonder you got lost. We can revisit this tomorrow if you like, but I've got more important things to do right now. (Pick up dog **** in the yard)
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Don't particularly care if we revisit this or not. You're clearly too dense or being purposely obtuse.
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Facebook Twitter Google+ Tumblr StumbleUpon LinkedIn RedditSo, you agree that complaining about people saying 'Merry Christmas' is an example of PC, BUT, you don't think it ever happens. (helpful)
Further, you support political correctness AND believe it has absolutely zero meaning.
Anon, are you sure you are properly qualified to discuss this subject?
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Sure. I just think it's a generally pretty irrelevant issue. The fact that people blow up over a couple of companies saying Happy Holidays says a lot about how "thin skinned" they are. It's just really not a big deal and I can't believe it's been blown so far out of proportion.
But really, how many times do I have to say I don't support "PC." Are you sure you have the proper qualifications to read? I think it's a useless buzzword. You've been proving my point in this conversation. Instead of properly responding to anything I'm saying, you say "haha you're PC." Every single thing we've tried to talk about, that's your eventual response.This is what I don't like about that term. Blaming people for being 'too PC' shuts down conversation completely, which is hilarious considering that you say "political correctness" is itself what shuts down conversation. You're the one shutting down conversation, not me. You're right, I mean, just not in the way you intend.
Still no answer on my other points! :)
Are you capable of any tone that isn't condescending?
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Facebook Twitter Google+ Tumblr StumbleUpon LinkedIn RedditIt is not a hypothetical situation. Many retailers tell their employees to not say Merry Christmas. They tell them to say Happy Holidays as to not offend customers.
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It might be a bit unnecessary, I guess. But I can understand why a business that doesn't want to have any sort of religious affiliation would want to use that as a precaution I suppose. There's nothing inherently wrong with trying to be inclusive and again, it's a business. They're trying to sell things so it's no surprise that many of them want to be non-controversial. Although Christmas is a commercial holiday anyway and I can't think of any stories ever where somebody actually gave a shit that a person said Merry Christmas instead of an alternative, but whatever.
Like I personally think getting worked up because businesses want to say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas is the definition of thin skinned. It's really, really not a big deal. If someone actually yells at you for saying one and not the other then yes they are probably overreacting but that's one of those things that doesn't happen really happen often.
Just wondering if you have any response to the other things I said?
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Facebook Twitter Google+ Tumblr StumbleUpon LinkedIn RedditI disagree. Some say that the term Merry Christmas is not PC. You must say Happy Holidays. How is saying Merry Christmas make one an ****?
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Yeah that's a ridiculous situation. But honestly 99% of the time I've heard about that, it's people complaining about it as a hypothetical situation, instead of it actually happening. But yes I agree if someone complains about someone saying Merry Christmas it's a bit ridiculous.
What I mean and what I've said countless times that has gone completely ignored isn't that I support 'political correctness.' It's that I think it's a term that's thrown around so often it has absolutely zero meaning. I've been called too politically correct for using the right pronouns for someone, or for not saying a slur and choosing to use less **** language. I've seen such happen to others as well. It's to the point that I feel like I see it used far too often as a substitute for 'you tried to be respectful? PC scum' and that is what kills conversation more than anything.
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Fantastic contribution. I'm in awe. If you have something to say then say it.
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Facebook Twitter Google+ Tumblr StumbleUpon LinkedIn RedditAnon - it was PC that dragged racisim in Trayvon Martin and Donald Trump - that was kind of my point. You are only echoing the side you say you say is lily white ( a reference to a flower color - not race)
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That makes zero sense buddy. Absolutely zero. Pretty sure you aren't even reading my posts.
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Facebook Twitter Google+ Tumblr StumbleUpon LinkedIn RedditTrayvon Martin and Donald Trump are baseless claims? Whoa, you are way off the charts on your brand of PC! You are in denial!
Ananon - you need to stay away from ledges of tall buildings today - just til you calm down. And, don't even think about going into a bell tower with a high powered rifle.
I think it's best if I don't talk to you any more - until you settle down. (You've got spit bubbles forming in the corner of your mouth there. That IS spit bubbles, right?)
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You interpreted the events that happened. You said Trump was being consumed by the PC police and being shut down. His right to speech was never taken, it just involved people criticizing him. If you think criticism is PC Monsters idek what to tell you buddy. Like I'm in awe of how you think I'm the one who shuts discussion down because every time we talk all you do is point fingers and say 'your politically correct haha got you.'
Your barely supported your Trayvon Martin claim. Still no clue how it's related to PC stuff. You interpreted based on your view of events, with nothing to back it up. Just some opinions slapped over a story. Just because you don't know how to respond to my responses doesn't mean I'm the filthy PC police.
You also threw in some things about black family values (totally baseless) as well some nice wording that implied you didn't think white privilege is a thing. I then provided some links to show you white privilege (as well as police brutality) is very much relevant. That was promptly ignored.
Joke about suicide yikes. You spent more time implying I'd kill myself than actually talking about something relevant lmao.
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How does the Supreme Court get involved with marriage at all? They are to decide constitutional matters. Marriage isn't mentioned in the constitution - it's not a Supreme Court matter.
I don't give a rats furry **** what you want. You want to disrespect God now too?
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Yeah, they never got involved in marriage before last week! Which is why in 2004, a bunch of states went of there way to explicitly ban same **** marriage. Is that what not getting involved what marriage looks like? Reinforcing yourdefinition of it? Lots and lots of things aren't mentioned in the constitution. It is up to the Supreme Court to interpret laws and that's what they did.
Religious marriage=/=legal marriage. The reason people wanted same ** marriage to be allowed is for legal reasons, considering the massive amount of benefits provided by marriage. Not for religious reasons. Marriage is not a solely Christian institution, or it would be illegal for anyone except Christians to get married. Obviously, it's not. There is no reason to legally oppose same ** marriage except for selfish ones.
Nobody wants to disrespect God, they want equal rights. It is not infringing on your ability to practice your religion if other people are not forced to abide by it.
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Yeah - how does that apply here?
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How does equality apply to every adult getting the equal opportunity to marry? Idek
I want to hear your reasons for gay being immoral. Just for fun.
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Facebook Twitter Google+ Tumblr StumbleUpon LinkedIn RedditIn direct response to your question, yes, I do think you are the reason this discussion has not advanced.
I gave you two perfectly good examples of PC being **** and you've discounted and dismissed both for no good reason.
The examples I brought up stimulated the PC rant of racism and what do you suppose your complaint is? Why did I bring up race?
You ARE the PC Police Anaon. You may not even realize it, but it's true. Go ahead, judge me Anon - it's what you live for!
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Yes, the PC rant backed up by actual **** sources, instead of baseless claims like you made. Acknowledging racism isn't PC holy shit christ it's reality. I didn't just dismiss them I countered. Every time I make an argument you move on to the next topic instead of acknowledging what I said. I'm definitely not the one stopping discussion.
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Homogay. I think we all need to start using that word ironically more often
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Brb getting homogay emblazoned across my forehead
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Honestly everything bad that has ever happened is because of the gays. Every single thing.
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So true. If it wasn't for that homogay marriage law my wife would still be with us today
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